I thought Armageddon would be here by the turn of the century. Millenium came and went and............nothing. The flip-flop on the generation issue 5 years before kinda took the wind outta my sails well before that.
Black Man
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When did you think Armageddon would come?
by comment ini was just thinking about this.
having been raised "in the truth" post-1975, i didn't grow up with any specific year in mind.
yes, there was the notion of "this generation will by no means pass away," but by the time i was old enough to think about that concept, the people who were born in 1914 (to stretch it out as far as possible, as the society ultimately did) were still only in their 60's.
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Climbing the Corporate Ladder - Why They Do It
by Black Man inthat the wts is nothing more than a business is painfully obvious in the way many brothers seek 'positions'.
i was always highly doubtful of the 'appointed by holy spirit' bs that we were always fed.
appointments often came down to who kissed up the most to the decision-makers.
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Black Man
Simon said: The dangerous thing is that the people who seek out the power and position do it because they could not achieve it elsewhere. Most companies would not put them in charge of 100 people yet they get this and to wear a suit in the society. It goes to their head. Nobody's who think they are somebody's.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Simon, that is SO TRUE. Brothers who couldn't cut it out in the real world live their dreams through being in charge of congregations and etc. It's something the society spouts of proproganda about all of us being equal in the eyes of God, yet when you get down to it, the ORG is a status-based organization. Complete status-quo mentality.
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back to basics
by cnn77 inas soeone raised in the truth my whole life i am struggling with a basic doctrinal issue.
the issue has to do with universal sovreignty and the ransom sacrifice.
let me try to illustrate by way of analogy:.
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Black Man
And here's another one: In this particular instance which was the more dominant quality, Jehovah's justice or his love?
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back to basics
by cnn77 inas soeone raised in the truth my whole life i am struggling with a basic doctrinal issue.
the issue has to do with universal sovreignty and the ransom sacrifice.
let me try to illustrate by way of analogy:.
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Black Man
JoelBear said: Is the loyalty of fleshly creatures more valuable than that of spirit creatures?
That is something that has vexed me for a long time. It seems as if the LOYALTY of FLESHLY creatures coupled with the FREE-WILL of SPIRIT creatures carries the most weight.
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back to basics
by cnn77 inas soeone raised in the truth my whole life i am struggling with a basic doctrinal issue.
the issue has to do with universal sovreignty and the ransom sacrifice.
let me try to illustrate by way of analogy:.
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Joelbear: You read my mind, man. To make it fair everyone should have had the opportunity to choose to eat from the tree or not and based on that reap the consequences. It just gives me a headache when I think about it. I have sometimes felt that God just didn't take care of family business in heaven and let those issues spill over into mankind's sphere. I reason that there's gotta be more to this, but I don't know.
I remember one poster (I think on here) talked about how there must have been a rebellious attitude by some in heaven for quite some time. This was indicated by God pronouncing his creative works good at the beginning of creating the physical universe. If badness wasn't introduced yet, why would it be necessary for God to pronouncing his physical creations as good? I don't know....just my $0.02.
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Leora Brown, DO..where is he today??
by chipster inhe was formerly a do, dynamic speaker, scriptural analyist, scholar, heavy hitter, direct connection to the gb... very powerful.....then he , ahem....left...where is he today, anybody have any idea??
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No...he was VERY married.
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back to basics
by cnn77 inas soeone raised in the truth my whole life i am struggling with a basic doctrinal issue.
the issue has to do with universal sovreignty and the ransom sacrifice.
let me try to illustrate by way of analogy:.
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Black Man
Good post! I've felt the same way at times. The whole issue of universal sovreignty has always made me feel like I'm just a pawn in a universal game of chess. We always talk about God's love in sending his son to die for us, but was it really loving to let it get to that point in the first place? If you're gonna create man with free will should the action of one affect the lives of millions? God has the right as a creator to test his subjects, but why the obsession with testing?
And what of Satan? There evidently had to be some kind of indication that he had a dissenting attitude well before the Garden of Eden. The whole choosing not to use foreknowledge out of respect for free-will theory never completely flew for me. If Jehovah respected free-will to that extent why will he not respect your free-willed opinion at Armageddon (if you choose not to involve yourself in the universal sovreignty issue as taught by JW's)? Why empower this dissenter (Satan) by leaving loop-holes opem that could affect the future course of humanity adversely. I've just concluded that there are just some things we will probably never know. Borderline agnosticism at it's best, huh.........
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Leora Brown, DO..where is he today??
by chipster inhe was formerly a do, dynamic speaker, scriptural analyist, scholar, heavy hitter, direct connection to the gb... very powerful.....then he , ahem....left...where is he today, anybody have any idea??
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A visiting CO recently told me that Brown had finally gotten back in the ORG after being disfellowshipped only to be disfellowshipped again just recently (this year). I would think that that info is somewhat reliable.
I had pleasant memories of Leora. He was fairly young when he served in my district here in the 80's and he was hip. The first traveling brother that I ever played a game of basketball with. Great speaker. Common sense thinker. The story is that he just had a problem keeping away from the WOMEN. I heard he is into real estate down in Georgia now.
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Climbing the Corporate Ladder - Why They Do It
by Black Man inthat the wts is nothing more than a business is painfully obvious in the way many brothers seek 'positions'.
i was always highly doubtful of the 'appointed by holy spirit' bs that we were always fed.
appointments often came down to who kissed up the most to the decision-makers.
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That the WTS is nothing more than a business is painfully obvious in the way many brothers seek 'positions'. I was always HIGHLY doubtful of the 'appointed by holy spirit' BS that we were always fed. Appointments often came down to who kissed up the most to the decision-makers. There were very few times that you could genuinely see that a brother was really concerned about the flock over his position. That applies to the local congregations AND Bethel. If I ever get some time I could relate story after story of the downright cut-throat politicking that would go on. In fact, I've had many CO's express the fact that they could've been in the District work if they had've kissed up to the right people.
I think what accounts for this (especially at Bethel) is that many of these men forsook college education and life in the business world. They take their ambitions and put them in a 'theocratic context'. This is why many stay in the org even after they know that it's rotten. Having a POSITION gives them a sense of self, validates their existence. You get some good ones who try to 'reach out' for the right reasons (out of love for the flock) but they're usually burned by the corporate sharks. Life in the WTS corporate world.............discuss...........
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2/3 of the Auditorium didn't open the Watchtower.
by paradix inhi everybody.. sometime i had read(many years ago) in kingdom ministry an article that said thatas much as two third of the auditorium didn't uses to studie the watchtower when gone to the watchtower study meeting.. do anyone remember this mention?
perhaps someone realizing something is wrong in the spiritual paradise?.
if not, what reveals this?i believed some guys were very angry in.
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Maybe if they'd have articles that were actually INTERESTING. You get the same recyled rhetoric each and every year. A couple articles on marriage, prophecy and how great and holy god is. I say give me something more specific, practical and relevant.